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  • Anemone - Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - link

    Not 64 bit...

    And by the time it's available, it will be just a holdover to Merom.
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - link

    Show me a laptop with 4GB of RAM and I'll show you a laptop that truly needs 64-bit. Sure, it's a bit of a limitation, but 64-bit is not truly that important to most users, let alone laptop users. Would I buy such a system? No, but then I don't own a laptop anyway.
  • Furen - Thursday, October 20, 2005 - link

    It's not just about 64 bit addressing, it's also about being able to use 64 bit primitives efficiently (Yes, I know you can use 64 bit operands in a 32 bit cpu but operations on these primitives take 2+ passes to complete). Even so, most users will probably gain little from having a 64 bit laptop, but those who need it (and, dare I say, those who truly use the laptop's power... listening to mp3s doesnt count and gaming is the exception) will gain much from having it.
  • Anemone - Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - link

    I can use it and I will spend the money. There will be many more who can use it as well over time. Come Jan obviously you'll have notebooks capable of 4gb. Mostly you need Vista to get to that limit. There are several notebooks out now that can use 4gb, just not with XP.

    :)
  • Shintai - Sunday, October 23, 2005 - link

    Vista have nothing to do with the usability of 64bit.

    RAM is not in some sharp curve of getting cheaper. Specially not when they are ramping up speeds instead of density. Also when did you last use over 2GB of memory? And yet alone 4GB? And when do you need over 4GB? Gaming doesn't get boosted much or any from 64bit either. We already have 64bit ports of a few games out..some gain a 1-2%, others lose the same 1-2%.

    Encoding divx/mpeg2/wmv9..sure there is some real gain. Rendering your animations? Sure then there is benefit. Doing some folding and other scientific calculations..sure benefit. But your CPU ain´t gonna touch physics when we get PPU and/or PPU in GPUs anyway. So only benefit 64bit has is the bigger userspace and generelly faster memory past 4GB without PAE.

    But remember you can still on a 32bit system have 16GB or 64GB memory. Just each process can maximum have 3GB each.
  • AnthonyQ - Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - link

    "The fastest current Celeron M is clocked at just 1.5 GHz, with a 1.6 GHz version launching in January '06."

    Really? What's the Celeron M 380 (1.6 GHz) chip that I'm seeing as an option in HP (as an example) laptops?
  • Shintai - Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - link

    Celeron M 380 1.6 GHz Celeron M 1.6 GHz / 400 MHz / 1 MB L2 / Intel Boxed 0,66 kr. 1.049 kr.

    And avalible since week 35.
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - link

    Bah! Guess I messed up speeds on that one. I mean 1.7 GHz and 390. Edit....
  • ksherman - Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - link

    i never heard that the Celeron M chips were almost as good (performance wise) as the Pentium Ms... how does the battery life compare?
  • Shintai - Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - link

    Celeron M is just a Pentium-M with 1MB cache instead of 2MB. And a 400Mhz bus instead of 533Mhz. So they will actually last longer on a battery.
  • rinthos - Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - link

    Nay, Celeron M will not last longer than Pentium-M on battery.

    Why? Pentium-M supports Speedstep. Celeron M does not.

    Therefore, Pentium-M will use more power when at max-performance, but during 'normal use', will use less power (due to speedstep lowering clock etc).

    Thus you get better battery-life with a Pentium-M :)

    The only scenario would be if you are running the systems at max capacity the entire time, then celeron M (or a slower Pentium-M) would naturally get better battery life.
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  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - link

    Of course, even at max power the Celeron M (and Pentium M) don't use that much. 20W, give or take, and cutting to 10W with EIST helps but isn't going to double your battery life. The screen is the biggest power draw these days, I think.

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